The Killing of Christmas: An Open Letter to Dr. Bonnie Henry

The Killing of Christmas:

An Open Letter to Dr. Bonnie Henry
By

Arthur Topham
CaribooSentinel.ca

“To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world,
that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the
truth heareth my voice.”
~ Jesus the Christ (John 18:37.)

To: Dr. Bonnie Henry,

British Columbia Provincial Health Officer,

Ministry of Health,

1515 Blanshard Street,

Victoria, BC V8W 3C9

Dear Dr. Bonnie Henry,

Seasons Greetings to you from the Cariboo.

The great 18th century British writer and pamphleteer Thomas Paine, considered by many to be the Godfather of the United States of America, played a crucial role in the struggle of the Colonists to break free of the yoke of King George III throughout the American Revolution that commenced in 1776. When the Colonial army under General George Washington was in retreat from General Howe’s British forces and their supplies and ammunition running low the moral of the volunteers was also at an all time decline. It was then that Thomas Paine, who fought along side the Continental militia, penned his now famous series of pamphlets known as the Crisis Papers.

In late September as he sat absorbed near an army campfire on a hogshead scratching out on paper Crisis I, his first of many pamphlets, he didn’t realize that someone had walked up beside him. Pausing for a moment he felt a hand on his shoulder and looking up he saw General Washington. While discussed the current situation that the Colonials were in Washington asked Paine if he might take a look at what he was writing. Tilting the sheets of paper toward the firelight he silently read to himself the following words:

These are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier
and the sunshine patriot, will, in this crisis, shrink from the
service of their country; but he that stands it now,
deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.

The General complimented Thomas Paine on his writing and asked him to send him copies of it when he was able to have it published. Paine of course replied that it would be his first priority. When the General returned to his tent and the night fell silent Paine continued with his work and the word flowed forth:

Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness that gives everything its value. Heaven knows how to put a price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM, should not be highly rated.

I chose to begin my letter to you with the words of Mr. Paine because they best convey, for myself and likely many others here in British Columbia and across our beleaguered nation, the sentiments now felt as we near the completion of the second year of the present Covid-19 crisis and the greatest of all Holy Days of the year – Christmas – draws nigh.

As a longstanding journalist working in the alternative news media and currently the publisher and editor of The Cariboo Sentinel (CaribooSentinel.ca) this manufactured ‘pandemic’ has become the mainstay of practically all msm and alternative news items since it first came to public light in January of 2020 and been both a boon and a blight for journalists, critics and proponents around the world, albeit at a cost yet to be fully ascertained.

In response to what, in the alternative view is best defined as a “plandemic” rather than a naturally occurred pandemic, I have written Open Letters to you before regarding the Covid-19 issue and sent them off knowing full well that the likelihood of receiving a reply back would be as assured as the proverbial snowball’s chance of survival in hell. Still, as Thomas Paine so aptly put it, the tyranny that has now come to my country and my province since Christmas of 2019 won’t easily be conquered and being by nature neither a “summer soldier” or a “sunshine patriot” I would be shirking my duty to God and to Canada were I to cease in my determined quest to inform your office and the provincial NDP government you represent, of the mendacious machinations and the unspeakable pain, destruction, death and anguish that your masks, mandates, lockdowns and specious inoculations have bequeathed to the people of this once beautiful, God-fearing province.

I know you are not alone in your quest to satisfy the urgings of those who, for the most ghastly of reasons, are adamant in their determination to murder millions, if not billions, of innocent souls in a sinister effort to pull off a final global coup d’etat and sink their greedy, filthy claws into the body of the world’s people in order to put a final end to our freedom as sovereign human beings created in the image of the Heavenly Father.

Never in the history of this glorious planet has there ever been a time where so many former independent nations have suddenly, as if by some sinister, magical spell, acted in such a unified manner in order to destroy their own sovereignty. It’s tantamount in some ways to the concept of global suicide, to a worldwide Jonestown event wherein the fevered brains and minds of the masses suddenly succumb to the will of a master sorcerer and lose all semblance of independent thought, reason and logic.

What it is that makes the rest of those in the provincial government and the mainstream media and, most tragic of all, the majority of the medical profession, willingly collaborate with you in order to lend a feigned sense of credence to your overt, duplicitous actions, especially given the reality of the effects they’re having upon the people of BC, still remains a mystery to the mass of t.v. watchers and newspaper readers who, thus far, have willingly ingested all the fake news reports, the fake statistics, the fake ‘viruses’ that instantly disappeared the historic common yearly flu, the fake untested, poisoned bioweapon euphemistically labelled a “vaccine” and the fake accusations being spread about concerning the dangers posed by those who, for various reasons, have not fallen into the jibberjabber trap you and Premier Horgan and Health Minister Dix have set for the people of BC. Their faith in you and in the NDP’s Machiavellian measures is a subject that future historians will undoubtedly debate over for a long time.

What the instigators of this fake global crisis have precipitated, knowingly or not, is a worldwide REVOLUTION; one that, were it compared with the writings of the major Communist authors of the past clearly delineates what their primary aim for the world at large has been since the Bolshevik take over of the Russian republic in 1917 wherein the Christian Tsar Nicholas II and the whole of his family (including the dog) were massacred and an atheistic, nihilist regime of brutal totalitarianism then reigned, ironically in a sense right up until Christmas day, December 25, 1991 when the Soviet flag flew over the Kremlin in Moscow for the last time marking 74 years of repression and lost freedom wherein approximately 66 million Christian Russians were genocided in various brutal ways.

And so Dr. Henry the similarities that surround you and the NDP government of the province of BC and the aforementioned Soviet communist example lead me up to your latest attack upon Christmas when we Christians traditionally celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. To further document all the attacks upon the Christian faith in Canada over the last two years would stretch this letter to the point of being onerous and I shall forego doing so but suffice it to say that the world is fully aware of these diabolic actions precipitated by those who serve another master.

I just want to close by saying that in this world of wonders there are many realms aside from the physical and political and financial. There are also spiritual and moral realms that we human beings are a quintessential part of which motivate and energize and inspire those of faith. It has always been one of the primary aims of the master Deceiver to destroy those who would willingly acknowledge and obey the supreme power and force of the Heavenly Father/Creator of this world and by your own actions and the actions of the atheist NDP leadership of the province of BC you have proven yourself to be a willing agent of the anti-Christ.

History will regard you as such but there is always the opportunity for everyone to cease and desist and this applies to you as well when it comes to your decision to attempt sabotaging the one religious celebration that Canadians have held dear to their hearts since the inception of this nation. I would ask that you stop trying to kill Christmas and instead start celebrating the rebirth of the peace and love and veneration of the Heavenly Father and His glorious Son that you so obviously are missing and so urgently in need of.

God grant you the courage to break free of your bonds and start serving Him rather than the Adversary.


~Ω~

A simple answer

A simple answer 

Homicidal braintrust killing the world with lies

Truth suppressed by media owned by billionaires

By 

John Kaminski

If anything has been proven in this dark time of totalitarian censorship, it’s that free speech no longer exists and the free country we thought we had is gone. Just think of all the truth tellers constantly banished from YouTube, Twitter and every bit of mainstream media.

Yet a timid population afraid to challenge these ugly fantasies leading to their own demise turns out to be a group of cowards lost in fits of self congratulation and yet afraid to save their own lives for fear of losing their own jobs. That is the agonizing bind inflicted on a population miseducated by its own propaganda driven educational system by an illegitimate government.

The answer is to break the media mindlock, execute the mass murderers, and return to living our lives. Of course this is impossible to achieve with a corrupt judicial system overruling all objectives to this fatal fraud.

A simple distinction

There are real doctors, and there are fakes.

McCullough, Bhakti, Yeadon, Hoffe, Cowan, Kaufman, Ardis, Lanka, Madej, Hodkinson, Northrup, Young, Gold, Vollmer, Tenpenny, Bridle, Cahill, etc. These are the honest doctors. Fauci and the corporate chimps who insist on reducing the population through dishonest means, are the frauds. Proven frauds with a history of previous mass murders.

People who watch TV or read The New York Times hear only Fauci and his deranged disciples. They don’t hear anything even resembling the truth, because this entire crisis is based on a fantasy construction of lies.

The PCR test is not an authentic barometer of who has a disease and who doesn’t. Its inventor, Mullis, told us this.

Masks do not protect others and actually harm the wearers. Any disease that has a 99 percent chance of survival is no reason to declare a pandemic.

And the $3200 per pop cure for the mystery disease is a proven recipe for disaster, producing kidney failure, pulmonary edema, and murder by doctors who put patients on ventilators which cause them to drown in their own fluids, while hospitals pocket $39,000 per corpse from the government by doing so.

Then there’s the primary social horror. Lockdowns are proven not only to destroy all the small businesses in the world, but they also lead to mass suicides of despondent victims as well as turning future generations not unnecessarily killed by the poison jab into fearful vegetables afraid to come out of the house.

The government and the corporations who control the medical profession all insist these are good and necessary measures. Can you please see what’s wrong with this picture? And say something about it!

So it is clear that the medical establishment is being bribed by our totalitarian government owned by big business to kill patients, courtesy of our Big Pharma psychos led by Bill Gates and deranged demagogue governors such as Cuomo, Whitmer, Inslee and Newsom.

I’m glad they invented the term “presenters” or “news readers” because most of the faces you see on TV or YouTube are not journalists, they are actors reading from scripts ultimately approved by corporate headquarters, which are in turn controlled by the zillionaires who own Black Rock or Vanguard, investment firms which seem to control everything.

Thus the critical blockage of the truth that could instantly free the whole world from this homicidal medical tyranny is Big Media, one of three angels of death including Big Pharma and Big Government, all controlled by the same small group of psychopaths. These combine to vomit forth the insane wrath of an addled braintrust that has determined we should kill most of the world’s population so the superrich can live more comfortably on their manicured and manacled plantation.

False assumptions are fatal

The excuse our betters use to justify these radically insane draconian efforts to reduce the population in order for the species to survive its own witlessness are totally false on its face. Society has been set up as a consumeristic nightmare where people are trained to consume much more than they need in order to nourish a sick system that depends on grotesque overconsumption to balance its flabby and smelly financial books.

The corpulent consumers think they are getting a bargain with all this flashy luxury they can buy, but they are really only facilitating the destruction of the system they happily abuse. The fudge factor the billionaires are using to balance their books is to kill most of the population. And they call that savvy leadership.

Like the PCR tests that mean nothing, this is a false postulate, since the current systems of both capitalism and communism are thrown out of balance from the outset by the corruption that exists at the top of the corporate pecking order. You only need to compare the bloated salaries of the CEOs to the meager payback to the stockholders.

It is exactly why Buckminster Fuller once called economics a false science because it is based on the false assumption of scarcity. The markets, your education, your healthcare and your political system are all rigged by the swindlers who have pulled the wool over your eyes for centuries and then convinced you that you are actually in control of the system by providing you with an array of questionable and unhealthy luxuries that are almost all bad for your health.

This is the time tested method the psychopathic NWO braintrust has used to take over the world in a way that most of its victims still fail to perceive is happening.

I cannot tell you what to do. I can only tell you what will happen if you don’t do anything, which is something that I think most of you already know.

These demented denizens called ordinary citizens who still believe that the system works are unwittingly endorsing their own suicides, and reacting with bitter anger at those who try to point out what they’re doing, because deep down, in that place they don’t dare go, they really know what they have done to themselves by getting the jab that will end their lives.

And this is the real horror our leaders have bestowed upon us, slowly percolating into the madness now consuming all societies.

~Ω~

John Kaminski is a writer who lives on the Gulf Coast of Florida, constantly trying to figure out why we are destroying ourselves, and pinpointing a corrupt belief system as the engine of our demise. Solely dependent on contributions from readers, please support his work by mail: 6871 Willow Creek Circle #103, North Port FL 34287 USA.

Letters to the Editor

Dear Editor: The COVID operation is not about health

I am writing this message in love and in the interest of sharing information that I now know to be true.

The COVID operation is not about health – and it never has been. It is about totalitarian control. My family is originally from Romania (not me, I was born in Canada) and I have also heard others from Poland and Romania talk about how communism came about in their countries.

It began by closing all the churches. We see that happening now. It also began with censorship, and we see that now as well (read Bill C-10 which has passed its second reading) and we are also hearing more and more about “The Great Reset”, “Build Back Better”, “We’re all in this together”, and lately; more talk about Universal Basic Income (or UBI). These refrains are being uttered world-wide – not just in Canada.

Provinces in Canada are under alleged and made-up health emergencies while unaccountable political figures & unelected health authorities refuse to show truthful, hard scientific data upon which their draconian measures are being implemented & they won’t debate with dissenting medical experts about the fraudulent high threshold PCR testing “case-demic” and artificially inflated mortality.

Churches are being barricaded! Businesses closed! Job loss (being hidden by the CERB & EI extensions moving us gradually into UBI). If UBI passes, which at this point it appears it will; we will lose our homes, pensions, savings & everyone will be put on a monthly amount all over the country. Do you want your children and grandchildren to never own anything? You really think they will be happy? That’s what the Great Reset is about. Please do your homework.

Please, see this for what it is!!!

The injections are NOT vaccines, but they are in fact experimental mRNA or spike protein injections. WE are the test subjects and yet, we cannot work; travel; and very soon go out in public without one. The people making all the money and heavily invested in the vaccine industry are eugenicists. If you don’t believe me, do your homework on Bill Gates. He, Mr. Fauci and others stand to make all the money on the injections and they have NO liability whatsoever. Do you truly think a eugenicist wants to save lives?

I want to have fellowship at my church and I want to be free to worship. While you may not be Christian and this may not matter, I’d still like you to ask the question – Why is it that churches are closed, but liquor stores remain open? Are liquor stores protected under our constitutional law? No, but the churches are; and yet those laws (rights) are being ignored!

I want to keep this short, so I will end it here – but I cannot stress this enough – if you want to live freely, worship freely, have a business, own a home, etc., I pray that you will open your eyes to the truth. May God bless and keep each and everyone of you. I want to make the point that this is NOT about health – we talk about the masks, injections, social distancing – but the real issue is what is happening in the background (laws being passed) while people live in fear of COVID.

Yours truly,

Katie Marwood

Kamloops, B.C.

kmarwood@protonmail.com

Please feel free to contact me if you want supporting documents for what I’ve written.


Trudeau’s Internet Censorship Another Step Toward Communism In Canada

“Granting a government agency authority over legal user generated content — doesn’t just infringe on free expression, it constitutes a full-blown assault upon, through it, the foundations of democracy.” 

~ Brad Salzberg

So stated Peter Menzies, former commissioner of the Canadian Radio-Television and Telecommunications Commission. As Prime Minister Justin Trudeau so boldly articulated, “people tend to see things from different perspectives.”

Here is the perspective of Cultural Action Party: Bill C-10 exists for the purpose of controlling what Canadians read and publish on the internet. If it passes, which it will, internet publishing will fall under the Canadian Broadcasting Act. At the base level, the result is a transfer of control of internet content to our ruling Liberal government.

Heritage Minister Steven Guilbeault is positioning the move as an act of altruism. “This is for the benefit of Canadians–citizens want this,” and other such platitudes. Make no mistake– the benefit resides squarely in the hands of the few.

Meaning the Liberal Party of Canada, and their omnipresent quest to rule our nation in perpetuity. Leaders of our nation’s most powerful “multicultural” lobbies are also at the driving wheel.

As with all aspects of our nation’s transition away from a free and democratic society, internet censorship comes down to an issue of control. As in, control the media, and you control what citizens speak, write- and potentially believe.

You know the situation is serious when mainstream media pipe in:

“Unfortunately, the democratic world can no longer look down on dictatorships like China, because our governments are increasingly taking pages from the authoritarian playbook.”

Parliament  has now voted to expand the bill to apply to user-generated content, potentially subjecting YouTube videos, Facebook posts and tweets of Canadians to government regulation. Such is the incremental nature of the loss of Canadian values at the hands of the Trudeau government.

Speaking of control, what would Canadians call the ramifications of the Covid pandemic, if not control of society? “Walk here, don’t walk there, wear a mask in public.”  Become, if you like, zombie-type citizens who exist for two purposes– to follow government orders, and to pay taxes.

Such is the reality of life in Canada in the year 2021. Amazing how five years of the second coming of a Trudeau-family prime minister has served up what can best be described as a pseudo-communist Canada.

Let us take a look at some of the fundamentals of the Pierre Trudeau-created Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and the impact of the pandemic upon them:

— the right to live and seek employment anywhere in CanadaCancelled.

— freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication. Pending cancellation.

— freedom of peaceful assembly. Illegal.

— every citizen of Canada has the right to enter, and leave Canada. Suspended.

Shall we continue? Let’s not– because dollars-to-Tim Horton’s donuts readers are getting the picture–a picture which not a single media outlet has presented to the public. To be certain, they never will.

READ MORE: Do Lockdowns Exist To Prevent Public Protest As Canada Moves Toward Communism?

Nor will the truth of Justin Trudeau’s emulation of China’s censorship policies be properly articulated by media. Based on the information contained herein, anyone should be able to understand why this is the case.

Government and media working in collusion. The people of our nation censored from an expression of ideas government decree inappropriate.

Getting the picture, fellow patriots? If any readers are having difficulty, we offer a hint: think of the favourite form of governance of Pierre and Justin Trudeau–and go from there.

Communism has come to Canada. The wise will expect more and more of the same until the final Great Reset goal is accomplished. As CAP stated from day one of the Trudeau regime, the days of democracy in our nation are surely numbered.

— Brad Salzberg, Cap Founder (Est. 2016)

SOURCE

Province-wide restrictions in B.C. as of April 1, 2021


Province-wide restrictions

Provincial restrictions are in place to help stop the spread of COVID-19. Some restrictions are made by the Provincial Health Officer (PHO) under the Public Health Act and others are made under the Emergency Program Act (EPA). Most orders can be enforced by police and compliance and enforcement officials.

Last updated: April 1, 2021

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Do your part to keep B.C. safe

Stronger province-wide restrictions

Between March 29 at 11:59 pm and April 19 at 11:59 pm the PHO is strengthening province-wide restrictions:

  • The variance allowing indoor religious gatherings and worship services between March 28 and May 13 is suspended
  • Indoor low intensity group exercise classes are cancelled
  • Restaurants, pubs and bars are closed for indoor dining. Outdoor patio seating and take-out or delivery is allowed
  • Whistler Blackcomb ski resort is closed

Safety recommendations

In addition to the orders, the PHO strongly recommends:

  • Working from home whenever possible, unless it is essential to be in the workplace
  • Keeping your child home from school if they feel sick or have any sign of illness
  • Getting testing immediately if you or anyone in your family feels sick
  • Avoiding all non-essential travel

Masks in schools

All K to 12 staff and all students in grades 4 to 12 are required to wear non-medical masks in all indoor areas, including:

  • At their work stations (desks)
  • On school buses
  • Within and outside learning groups

PHO order on gatherings and events

This content is a summary of the PHO order – Gatherings and Events (PDF) document. It is not legal advice and does not provide an interpretation of the law. In the event of any conflict or difference between this webpage and the order, the order is correct and legal and must be followed. 

Social gatherings

Indoor gatherings

No indoor social gatherings of any size at your residence with anyone other than your household or, if you live alone, your core bubble. For example:

  • Do not invite friends or extended family inside your residence or vacation accommodation
  • Do not host a party or event inside your house

Outdoor gatherings

Up to 10 people can gather outdoors. For example:

  • Up to 10 people can gather at a park or beach
  • Up to 10 people can gather in the backyard of a residence

Do not gather with several groups of new people. Stick to the same people. Continue to use COVID-19 layers of protection and maintain physical distancing. Patios and outdoor areas at restaurants, pubs and bars are not included as places to gather with 10 people at one table.

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Core bubble

Co-parenting and legal parenting arrangements

Supporting family members or isolated people

University students

Visiting people who live alone

Gatherings and events by sector

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Cultural events and gatherings

Drive-in and drop-off events

Formal meetings

Indoor funerals, weddings and baptisms

Indoor religious gatherings and worship services

Meals for people in need

Outdoor funerals

Outdoor religious gatherings and worship services

Perimeter seating vehicles and buses (limo and party bus)

Rental and home sale viewings

Retail businesses, vending markets and episodic markets

Workplaces

Youth extracurricular activities

Activities allowed under the order

These activities are not considered a social gathering:

  • Going for a walk or hike
  • Parents carpooling kids to and from school
  • Grandparents providing child care
  • Public pools and public skating rinks, when not associated with an event, are allowed to continue to operate with a COVID-19 Safety Plan

****ALL EXERCISE RULES AND REGS ARE EXCLUDED FROM THIS REPORT

PHO order on restaurants, pubs and bars

Restaurants, pubs, bars and food courts are closed for indoor dining until April 19 at 11:59 pm.

  • Outdoor patio seating and take-out or delivery is allowed
  • Breweries, wineries and tasting rooms can operate outdoor patios
  • Liquor may only be served on a patio if people are seated

In order to limit the spread of COVID-19, people should only be dining at restaurants with their household. For people who live alone, this should be with a maximum of two people they regularly interact with (core bubble).

Restaurants, pubs and bars must have a COVID-19 Safety Plan and employee protocols in place. WorkSafeBC will be conducting inspections to verify that COVID-19 Safety Plans remain effective. Establishments that are noncompliant with plan requirements may face orders and fines, and possible referral to public health which may result in a closure order.

EPA order on masks in public indoor settings

As outlined in the EPA mask mandate order, masks are required for everyone in many public indoor settings. A face shield is not a substitute for a mask as it has an opening below the mouth.

There are exemptions for:

  • People with health conditions or with physical, cognitive or mental impairments who cannot wear one
  • People who cannot remove a mask on their own
  • Children under the age of 12
  • People who need to remove their masks to communicate due to another person’s hearing impairment

Masks are required in many indoor public settings and all retail stores. This includes:

  • Malls, shopping centres
  • Grocery stores
  • Airports
  • Coffee shops
  • On public transportation, in a taxi or ride-sharing vehicle
  • Places of worship
  • Libraries
  • Common areas of post-secondary institutions, office buildings, court houses (except court rooms), hospitals and hotels
  • Clothing stores
  • Liquor stores
  • Drug stores
  • Community centres
  • Recreation centres
  • City Halls
  • Restaurants, pubs and bars when not seated at a table
  • Sport or fitness facilities when not working out

Mask enforcement

You could be subject to a $230 fine if you:

  • Do not wear a mask in an indoor public setting, unless you are exempt
  • Refuse to comply with the direction of an enforcement officer, including the direction to leave the space
  • Engage in abusive or belligerent behaviour

Masks at workplaces and shared living areas

It is strongly recommended that masks be worn in the following areas:

  • Common areas in apartment buildings and condos, including:
    • Elevators
    • Hallways
    • Lobbies
    • Stairwells
  • Shared indoor workplace spaces, including:
    • Elevators
    • Kitchens
    • Hallways
    • Break rooms

Travel advisory

At this time, all non-essential travel should be avoided. This includes travel into and out of B.C. and between regions of the province. For example:

  • Do not travel for a vacation
  • Do not travel to visit friends or family outside of your household or core bubble

Travel for essential reasons

Individual circumstances may affect whether a trip is considered essential or non-essential. Essential travel within B.C. includes:

  • Regular travel for work within your region
  • Travel for things like medical appointments and hospital visits

For example, if you live in Vancouver and work in Surrey you can continue to commute. 

If you need to travel for essential reasons, take the same health and safety precautions you do at home.

  • Wash your hands often
  • Practice safe distancing, 2 m
  • Travel only with yourself, household or core bubble
  • Stick to the outdoors whenever possible
  • Clean spaces often
  • Wear a mask in indoor spaces

First Nations communities

Many First Nations have declared a state of emergency for their communities and enacted COVID-19 community protection by-laws including travel bans for non-residents and non-essential visitors. It is important to respect these restrictions in addition to the province-wide travel advisory. 

Whistler Blackcomb closure

The Whistler Blackcomb ski resort is closed until April 19 at 11:59 pm.

Coming from outside of B.C.

At this time, people travelling to B.C. from another province or territory within Canada should only come for essential reasons. If you do travel, you are expected to follow the same travel guidelines as everyone else in B.C.

Enforcement

During a public health emergency under the Public Health Act, the PHO can make orders as needed. You must follow the orders. Some orders can be enforced by police or other compliance and enforcement officials. People who don’t follow these orders could be fined.